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| how disapointing that MS is playing these kinds of games with a feature that used to be standard & shared amongst every OS. |
What do you mean by that exactly ?
What do you think ? I have a DX10 card, but have played all my games on XP with DX9, because for one I didn't want Vista (more expensive and buggy at the time) and for two, XP was better for games at the time. If you wanted DX10 you just had to have Vista whereas now those who have Vista are not forced to get 7 to have DX11. I think it's really unfair and it annoys me, I could have played Bioshock a la DX10 and other games too. So, what do you think ? Hell, I would have been ready to pay like a 30€ upgrade to have DX10 on XP, if it was no more than that price.
What hacks are you talking about ? To have DX11 on Vista or DX10 on XP ? When it comes to hacks, I'm not the one to ask.
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Big Ol' can of Whoopass 
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LOL, what a can !
Is that a real can, seriously ? Or is it a photoshop trick ?
If it's real though, I wonder what kind of soda it is...
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| I think it's really unfair and it annoys me, |
Consider that XP is basically an old OS and that Microsoft did, in fact, do lots of things to keep it up to date over its long lifetime. While anything is possible in principle, one needs to consider the amount of work involved. As it is/was, trying to patch up the security holes in XP (and related software) sucked up an incredible amount of development effort at Microsoft, which is one reason why we had to wait so long for Vista (not that I'm excusing Microsoft on this...it should have been more security concious in the first place). XP is/was actually an exceptionally long-lived OS. A two or three year cycle is more normal according to historical precedent, which is what Microsoft has returned to with Vista -> W7. If one wants to find something unfair, then perhaps one should focus on that, since we know that W7 is essentially just the Vista codebase with a few bells and whistles, yet people upgrading from XP pay the same price as people upgrading from Vista. |
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cLa
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:51 am Post subject: |
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| cLa wrote: |
| I think it's really unfair and it annoys me, |
Consider that XP is basically an old OS and that Microsoft did, in fact, do lots of things to keep it up to date over its long lifetime. While anything is possible in principle, one needs to consider the amount of work involved. As it is/was, trying to patch up the security holes in XP (and related software) sucked up an incredible amount of development effort at Microsoft, which is one reason why we had to wait so long for Vista (not that I'm excusing Microsoft on this...it should have been more security concious in the first place). XP is/was actually an exceptionally long-lived OS. A two or three year cycle is more normal according to historical precedent, which is what Microsoft has returned to with Vista -> W7. If one wants to find something unfair, then perhaps one should focus on that, since we know that W7 is essentially just the Vista codebase with a few bells and whistles, yet people upgrading from XP pay the same price as people upgrading from Vista. |
Fair enough. Still, I would have been ready to pay something for their effort.
Oh well, it's in the past anyway. Next time I'll be buying a GPU, I'll make sure I know what's the status of DX OS-wise and Game-wise to see if I can buy a card with the latest DX or if it's not necessary. I bought a DX10 card and XP with my new PC, but I just assumed XP would be getting DX10, I will be more careful next time around.
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| In other words, a return to business as usual. |
almost but not quite.
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2: yet another imposed upgrade that sets the stage for premature hardware failures not from component failure but from imposed software restriction.
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| Not sure what you mean by this. |
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MS is prepping / testing the consumer to see what they can get away with and where they may be able to explore new revenue streams.
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how disappointing that MS is playing these kinds of games with a feature that used to be standard & shared amongst every OS.
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What do you mean by that exactly ? |
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read above.
MS broke DX upgrades with the move from XP to Vista and now despite the claim of business as usual DX11 support for Vista was delayed and required a patch instead of simply coming standard as an update.
| both respondents keep all of this in context as the source of this came from this comment to which I responded wrote: |
Can't really complain much about Microsoft's DX11 execution
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| sure we can for a cppl reasons no one will care about. |
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Shades
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| MS is prepping / testing the consumer to see what they can get away with and where they may be able to explore new revenue streams. |
Perhaps one could say that for DX9 -> DX10, but I don't really see any evidence of that for DX10 -> DX11. For DX9 -> DX10, Microsoft made a platform break and really relied on its market domination. If OGL were still a worthy competitor for PC gaming, then Microsoft might not have dared make that break.
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| MS broke DX upgrades with the move from XP to Vista and now despite the claim of business as usual DX11 support for Vista was delayed and required a patch instead of simply coming standard as an update. |
As I already said, it will presumably be available on Windows Update, if it isn't already and Microsoft had to choose some kind of release schedule which didn't really matter since there was no real hurry. What Microsoft didn't do is release W7 and then wait months before offering an official upgrade for Vista. |
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cLa
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@ Clone : Oh right, I see, thanks for the clarification.
OK then, I guess I should go back to being annoyed at not getting DX10 for free on XP 
Interresting link about DirectX
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I guess they want people to move away from XP
and who can blame them.. with XP being around for as long as it have been.
I doubt there where any games that simply refused to work instead of falling back on DX10 ?? So no big deal.
Text says: No big deal
couldnt find an english ad from this campain.. maybe its swedish only.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| OK then, I guess I should go back to being annoyed at not getting DX10 for free on XP |
At the end of the day, one had a much better DX10 because of the platform break. In turn, this laid good foundations for DX11 and so on. Sometimes platform breaks are good things, although temporarily annoying. |
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@ Silver :
@ Shades : you got that right, that's how I felt regarding Bioshock, temporarily annoyed 
Anyway, I don't regret having bought XP instead of Vista at the time as it was less expensive and generally better for gaming. I made my mind and got over the Bioshock "issue". I would have liked to have had better water rendering, seeing as the game takes part in an underworld city. But, in the end, I quickly got over it.
Next time I'll know better.
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Great pic Silver!! Makin me hungry though!!  
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Not me. I really can't understand how people can eat McDonalds..whatshallwecallit.
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You're both right : while it does make me hungry, I like MD much less than before (and still prefer Burger Kings anytime) especially since I tasted home made hamburgers.
Reminds me of this place in Montreal called "Frites Alors". It's on rue St-Denis, near UQAM and all those churches or ex-churches (used by UQAM for example), they make it a la "home made". Really good ! Beats fast food anytime, while being less fatty and calorie-intensive.
You should check it H_T as you live in Canada, likewise to all the Canadian members here. Go ! Unless you're a junk food addict
I'm talking about healthy and tasty home-made hamburgers ! And, DX11 too
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DX11 to go? Fried? Baked? Grilled?
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| Not me. I really can't understand how people can eat McDonalds..whatshallwecallit. |
no matter how low the quality or which part of the cow the meat is still 100% all beef at least from Mcd's.
I believe in regards to public perception the mistake is in assuming that most non fast food eateries are providing something better when in reality they are almost universally even worse.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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Not the meat..but that thing they call a bum (bread), and the liquid they poor over the burger. The meat is 100% beef, I know, but absolutely tasteless, not to mention as thick as paper.
When I eat a hamburger, it's one I made and prepared at home. But at a higher price then the 1 Euro McD charges..
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cLa
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Sauron_Daz wrote: |
| DX11 to go? Fried? Baked? Grilled? |
One happy meal please, and don't forget that extra OC for the 5870 please 
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| I believe in regards to public perception the mistake is in assuming that most non fast food eateries are providing something better when in reality they are almost universally even worse. |
It depends I guess, maybe some are worse, maybe some are better. But back to the home made kind, I'm willing to put my hand in the fire and tell you that if you choose even average ingredients, you'll end up with a hamburger that is healthier : less calories, fat, sugar etc...
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| My American cousin's wife used to make great hamburgers. In combination with a good Californian wine...... |
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